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Bad treatment of workers at some brothels


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Hi Guys, hope you're all doing well,

 

I'm a working girl, been in the industry for 5 years and worked all over Australia at different establishments, massage and full service. Thought It was time girls shed some insight into how they are treated at different establishments as that should (hopefully!) influence your decision on where to visit and put your money toward. In my experience, girls that are treated better give better service ;) .

 

I worked two nights at a suburban Sydney brothel a few days ago and I can tell you I have never been treated worse by an establishment, or seen girls so controlled and terrified to say no to clients and reception.

 

Firstly, let me explain what the girls make. Most reputable establishments will offer a 60/40 cut of what you pay, in the girls favor (of course right! after all there would be no business without us!) At this brothel however, they offer a 50/50 cut AND on top of that charge a $30 shift fee (I asked why we were charged a shift fee and was told it's for using their linen, rooms and clients... But you see, that is why we split 50/50 what the client pays in the first place.) I have never worked anywhere that charges a shift fee as that is ridiculous. On top of that it also charges fines for being late to your shift, finishing a booking overtime and wanting to leave early (please note they force you to work 7pm-5am on a night shift MINIMUM). In fact one girl I was working with was NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE because she had more fines than she had made, effectively she had sex twice for free to pay the house for some arbitrary fines.

That sounds crazy right? it is. In fact it's actually illegal. And I'm sure you're thinking, why pay the shift fee and fines? why not just go home? Well, unlike most other places I've worked, this brothel holds onto your earnings until you finish your shift, meaning they can withhold whatever fines they like and what can you do about it? call the police? we never sign a contract so really there is no proof we were even working.

 

Can it get worse? yep!

 

Many of my clients have asked me 'Do you get to pick who you see?'. Everywhere I've worked (except one other place) the answer is yes. almost every brothel and massage parlour will have cameras and you will be able to see the clients and decide whether to intro. Don't worry tho! most girls aren't judgmental, they are happy to see everyone unless they know them outside of work or have had a bad booking with them previously. I believe cameras and a girl's choice is necessary as It's important for both the girls and clients privacy be protected also so that the girls and guys are having fun with each other (isn't it nice to know that the girl picked you too!), this brothel doesn't think so, they make the girls walk past the bar in order to get to the intro rooms, and make us intro at the bar (there are no cameras on the bar that we can view). most disturbing however was one girl was waiting a few hours for a booking and reception wouldn't tell her who it was with. when he arrived she was very pissed off to find out it was a client she had seen a few times before, and after having bad experiences with him has refused to see him again. This client told her he had told reception "Don't tell her it's me booking as she will refuse to see me.' Reception should have immediately refused him, or at least asked this girl if she would see him.

 

They advertise free "quality" accomodation on their website for girls who need somewhere to sleep after thier shift. however, what they actually have is one of the rooms in the brothel with 8 or so beds in it where all the girls must sleep (meanwhile the music is playing at full volume and the rooms on either side of the dorm room are being used and those bookings are audible from the dorm room.) When my friend and I finished our shift we were told the dorm room was full and we would have to sleep in one of the rooms used for bookings. I find this so unproffesional and inappropriate, even more so that the air con was blasting in the room with no way to adjust the temperature AND we were given no blankets, only sheets. When I finally got to sleep, I literally was dreaming that I was hiking naked in Antarctica.

 

And now, (drumroll) for the worst part of my experience;

There are two girls rooms, one downstairs, one upstairs, and an intercom in both to talk to us girls. I was normally in the downstairs room but went upstairs to have a ciggarette. During this time reception buzzed downstairs and said I had a booking and to come out to the front- again please note I was upstairs and didn't know. I come downstairs, get back to reading my book when they buzzed and asked me to come to reception as I had a booking. So I come out and go to the girls window, where the receptionist starts YELLING at me saying I should have come down immediately and that she buzzed for me 5 minutes ago, I explained calmly I was upstairs having a cigarette and that she didn't buzz upstairs, that she could check the cameras if she doesn't believe me and she starts yelling about how I'm lying to her, back chatting her and that she could fire me or fine me if she wants, that I'm being a 'tricky bitch'. She then points to a man a few meters away who was watching the whole thing, and says 'here's your client, take him to room 3'. I was understandably shocked that firstly, she would yell at me for her own mistake and that she would do so in front of, not just any client, but MY CLIENT. I took him to the room, and (being an emotional soul) teared up a bit as he consoled me. Not a great start to a booking for either of us right??? also a great way to perpetuate sad hooker stereotypes.

Let me just remind everyone that I have been in this industry for 5 YEARS and I have never seen such disgustingly unprofessional behavior from a receptionist or establishment. The whole experience was hellish and my support goes out to the girls that are still working there, most of which have never worked in any other establishment, so I worry they think this kind of treatment is normal.

 

Maybe you're outraged after reading this? good! But maybe you still like the decor or location of this brothel? that's OK, look this post is NOT meant to destroy it, in fact I am hoping that this can spark a change in the way the girls are treated.

 

How can you help? You can email or call brothels like this and tell them you will be boycotting it until some changes are made (a 60/40 cut, eliminate the illegal fines, shift fees, better accommodation for girls, freedom to say no to clients, the freedom to take breaks- I think I forgot to mention I was also yelled at for skipping an intro to eat dinner!)

 

and that's it! like I said, girl's who are treated better by the establishment are happier, and give better service, and unfortunately it's hard for us to make changes without the help of clients also wanting these changes! Lets make the sex industry better together!

 

(Also if you're interested in reading more about how different girls are treated in different places, I will soon be starting a website where girls can review establishments, I will post the link here when it is created)

 

Thanks guys, feel free to ask more questions xx

Juliet

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Thanks for the blog entry, JR. For others reading this, please note that due to potential legal problems, the name of the particular establishment is not to be made public on PP. Cheers.

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This is one of the reasons why I see private escorts - no parlour management to mistreat the ladies.  (Although I know that's cold comfort for ladies who can't or don't want to go private.)

 

Your planned website for reviewing establishments is interesting.  How will you prevent establishments posting positive reviews about themselves?  Are you going to limit posting only to sex workers you personally know?

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Good point Sadel, I hadn't yet considered establishments doing that! We are currently designing just the layout at the moment and are about to approach the reviewing system, will certainly make that part of our discussion - thanks!

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I find usually the way staff are treated in general shows quite a lot on the general vibe and attitude of the place.

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In Manchester in the UK the ladies aren't paid for their first half hour booking, on every shift.

 

The split is 60/40 from memory and there are no bonuses.

 

Men aren't required to shower at some establishments (most) and yes allot of girls don't shower between punters.

 

I've never been mistreated by an establishment (we all have different standards) but there was one owner who would subtly put workers down. No one likes that.

 

I don't think it's up to punters to tell brothels what to do, the workers are allowed to work at whatever establishment they choose. It's a shame there isn't an open way to review the workers experience of working in a brothel.

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And interesting read Juliet but I'm pretty sure it will not have much impact unless the workers themselves take action, as spreading awareness amongst a bunch of horny guys on an anonymous forum is a rather indirect way to go about it.

 

How many guys reading this would actually say something to the brothel management, let alone write something to management and put their name to it? Without a real name to put on an email or phone call, the brothel management can happily write the whole communication off as just a disgruntled ex-worker or one her pet fan boy’s.

 

Also, I think every place has a mix of good and bad people, and I know of one place where the workers avoid a particularly bad manager, and so whenever they one is in charge it's always hard to find people to fill those shifts.

 

I believe the most powerful weapon you always have at your disposal is the ability to move on to somewhere better.

 

However if you feel you can't move on to somewhere better, hoping for customers to leave that particular venue in droves is a rather odd and inefficient way of trying to force changes. Is an empty brothel really in your interests? Is staying in a badly run brothel waiting for it to suddenly improve really the best use of your time and energy?

 

Leave I say.

 

Leave today.

 

Don't look back.

 

Also I advise that you don't wait for punters to suddenly put ethics ahead or budget and convenience – as a collective group, punters probably tend to be more selfish and focussed on their next orgasm than all that. Lol

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How many guys reading this would actually say something to the brothel management, let alone write something to management and put their name to it?

 

I doubt any punters would write to parlour management however I (and I suspect some others) would like to have enough knowledge so that we can refuse to frequent that establishment.

 

I also agree with you - likely the best thing for the lady to do is leave, quickly if possible.

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I originally posted this under the brothels name on this website as a review of their establishment, however I was told due to defamation laws one of the managers of this website couldn't allow it to remain there and made it a blog post instead, so yes obviously you can't boycott that establishment if you don't know what it is, but my intention was that people would know what establishment I was referring too and could help change it.

 

Unfortunately a lot of girls will never speak to management about the issues at a brothel, they would rather just leave, as I obviously have done haha, @CaptainDarling, ofcourse I wouldnt remain in a place that operated like that. however a lot of the girls that are still there have never worked anywhere else, they think that way of operating is normal and will never speak to management about it. Some girls drift in and out of the industry and they don't care about how establishments run as long as they get their money they leave, so they will also never speak to management. As I said earlier and Sadel has agreed, If I was a client I would like to know how ladies are treated, and you wouldn't believe the power clients could have in helping the industry change if men preferred to visit more 'ethical' establishments - if that information was public knowledge ofcourse.

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Wow, that is an eye opener!

 

So different to a friend of mine's place (but her place doesn't do full service, just a sensual experience).  Guess that's why the girls love working there.  They are treated with respect and understanding and she reaps the rewards in loyal staff and happy customers.

 

I am amazed that any establishment can get away with treating their staff so badly.

 

Maybe we can't say who the bad establishments are, but I would love to hear from the working girls which establishments are good to them.  If it is permitted.

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Workingclassgirl

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I've been.. lucky ill call it, to have experienced just about every horrifying, mortifying and illegal experience the brothel industry has to offer, all in the first 6 months after entering the industry!

If not for my need to over research every little thing of slightest interest to me,resulting in my sadly knowing far more of the sex work act than most managers, and my own tough skin, its hard to fathom where i would be now. 

 

The girls i have consoled, educated, and those who broke before i could get to them...not one should have been in a position to learn anything from me about their own rights in this industry,  let alone have them deliberately violated by brothel owners and managers who rely upon "New talent" ie: a girl unaware of her rights, fresh meat for them to 'groom' to their liking with threats of fines, and a bullshit spiel no doubt about affecting the other girls earning capability by choosing not to intro. I've watched managers farewell and even discount punters with a smile..right after being informed that they've just sexually assaulted a girl!!

 

Fuck me its well beyond a joke what goes on behind the curtains, yet the government nationally targets and restricts the rights to work and advertise of independent escorts, most who became son to escape the horror of brothels

 

Easier to just increase the already ridiculously high brothel licencing fees annually, and shut down backpage and the like, and blame them for sex crime right?

 

theglassdoor.com.au is an existing company review by employees site that may make do in the meantime...if we all started using our voices, we just might be heard..and now i know what im doing for the next few hours lol

 

 

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Not knowing whether the ladies at a parlour are being treated fairly by parlour management is one reason why I choose to see independent private escorts.

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CaptainDarling

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5 hours ago, sadel said:

Not knowing whether the ladies at a parlour are being treated fairly by parlour management is one reason why I choose to see independent private escorts.

That's a nice sentiments Sadel but if you dig deeper seeing a private is no guarantee she's the stereotypical happy hooker.

 

I know one chick I'm very keen on, and after months of contact I find out about her arse of a boyfriend when she has a moan. I'm a good listener so something insider her uncorked then I heard chapter and verse what massive disappointed he was to her, how she was broke all the time because of his drug habit, how he was always pushing her to bring in more cash because he never had any money etc

 

I'm not doubting for an instant that there are successful business women in the SI that support themselves with the job, and still manage to stay sane, happy and healthy etc

 

But I'm not going to link being a private SW with having a good life. One advantage for the brothel girls is they don't have to bring strangers into their personality space for sex. So once they leave the brothel there's a line in the sand between home life and work life etc

 

My advice is to see people that treat you well, whether in a brothel, or their home or a hotel etc. Making yourself responsible for how happy they are after work is problematic, and many wouldn't want you crossing the boundaries and seeing the 'real girl' behind the 'wirking girl' persona

 

My two cents

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10 hours ago, Workingclassgirl said:

 

The girls i have consoled, educated, and those who broke before i could get to them...not one should have been in a position to learn anything from me about their own rights in this industry,  let alone have them deliberately violated by brothel owners and managers who rely upon "New talent" ie: a girl unaware of her rights, fresh meat for them to 'groom' to their liking with threats of fines, and a bullshit spiel no doubt about affecting the other girls earning capability by choosing not to intro. I've watched managers farewell and even discount punters with a smile..right after being informed that they've just sexually assaulted a girl!!

 

Brothels now are in a relatively worse position than in the past. Non Asian brothels have been closing up and in Sydney and Melbourne, many are under pressure from apartment developments (that is the land is worth more as an apartment development than as a parlour) and online options for workers and punters will persist even with the current legal gyrations (the current kerfuffle with SESTA and FOSTA will eventually work itself out).

Before 10-15 years ago (before internet advertising took off), options were much more limited. You basically had brothels, the newspaper classifieds and street work .  I'm sure you'd hear of much worse stories from the olden days of parlours behaving badly, simply because options were much more limited for workers.

 

I think that the worst stories about conditions in the sex industry are in the Asian end (owners threatening to calling border force for deportation, etc). Just like in the other sectors where you have a lot of immigrants with limited English and knowledge of their rights being exploited with low wages and poor working conditions (such as 7-11 stores,  restaurants, etc) I'm sure it will not be much different in the sex industry.

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4 hours ago, Eric Shun said:

That's a nice sentiments Sadel but if you dig deeper seeing a private is no guarantee she's the stereotypical happy hooker.

 

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But I'm not going to link being a private SW with having a good life.

 

I'm not saying that all private escorts are happy.  What I am saying is I don't want to line the pockets of a parlour that's mistreating their sex workers.

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CaptainDarling

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Fair enough - but it will be hard to get 'proof' that brothel xyz is bad compared to brothel abc...

 

All the people that speak either for or against a place will have a POV that will be based on personal experience and opinion -both highly subjective measures.  And someone mentioned above - whats to stop a bad place putting out glowing reviews or comments about themselves and whats to stop fake punters running a good place down with bad reviews and snide comments?

 

My personal view is I am loyal to people to addresses - and if everything from the person is good, I don't give a hoot whom they share their earnings with, be it a lazy or bad brothel or a druggie boyfriend....

 

.. basically its on them and their friends and loved ones to GTFO a bad situation, and as a paying client I try not to get involved really...

 

My two cents

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38 minutes ago, Eric Shun said:

Fair enough - but it will be hard to get 'proof' that brothel xyz is bad compared to brothel abc...

 

Well I don’t visit parlours so whether one parlour is better than another is moot. 

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